now, if alex martinez was killed by a seaworld killer whale on december 24th just a few months ago, certainly they would know about it. if they don't know about that, what else don't they know? >> larry: jack, do you know about it? >> why don't you ask them. >> yes, i heard that. i don't know the facts of it. you're correct, rick. so what do we do, rick? >> you don't know the facts of that? you don't know the facts about that? >> what did i just say to you, rick? >> that's astonishing. >> a 29-year-old -- >> again, larry. >> larry: thad, do you know? >> do you know about john who was almost crushed to death by one of the orcas at seaworld. >> i know about john silic. >> tell us about the -- december 24th -- >> i'm trying to speak right now. >> larry: one at a time. thad, do you know the story? >> well, if i'm allowed to speak. if he's going to butt in, i'm not going to say anything. >> larry: go ahead, thad. >> i know about john and know what happened in the canary islands. there was a young man killed in the canary islands by a killer whale, and it was during a show. that's all i know. i hav